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MF TORTIYAH's avatar

This was enjoyable!

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Bijou's avatar

I am wondering if all those concepts of "photon" are valid? Curt, did you think any of them were not technically correct? ;-)

Even,

Guy: “Well, technically, light is the absence of darkness, and darkness is defined as wickedness…”

Chap: “Well, technically, wickedness is a holomorphic object on twistor space…”

had me laughing, but sure, why not extend the notion of "light" to metaphor.

Seriously, what I was interested in is the shear volume of how many alternatives were offered. Given there is an underlying reality to a physical photon, then what we have here are many languages or dialects that mathematics provides for describing the same thing. Hardly profound (it is "just Langlands" or "just Erlangen"). And yet I always think it is profound.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Too right you are.

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Laura's avatar

Loved this! Laughed out loud at the ending!

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Nilesh's avatar

humorous and interesting post Curt!As a non scientist one would like to share following in memory my friend perhaps help explore further on subject.

Photon

self-similar and scale invariant principal a signature of Hologram! Space is dynamic and it has reactive property.

Axiomatic logic. It exposes the ‘how & why’ of the nascent messenger of our information system, the so-called photon, that has an identifiable connection to anything and everything.

The components can never be detected directly for they do not ‘radiate’ but the ‘stress-gaps’ between components do, as photons. Every ‘coherent point’ in space has a veritable powerhouse ,exposed the dual nature inherent in detecting phenomenon either as a coherent wave packet identified as a “particle” or an unsynchronized wave ensemble as a “ray or photon” depending on the interactive state of the observer.

Its axiomatic mathematics shows that when the coherent state of components in space is broken by non-synchronous or time varying activity, the regaining of coherence is attained by resonant absorption of non- synchronous activity. Such activity is radiated as incremental counts of energy which, sequentially decays back into space, over a period. It leads to an important conclusion that the photon must decay in 10^17 cycles or seconds in physics.

it has been occurring in nature from time immemorial, say in the form of sound wave and electrical-magnetic wave transmissions with a velocity difference of approximately million times, analogous to the difference in photon and stress-phase-change transmigration. Hence a disturbance that transmits both a sound and electromagnetic wave independently through a medium, cannot be easily identified as being related, by a later measurement, because of the large velocity difference

it proves that all radiated phenomenon, like photons of light, must decay, which consequently removes the foundation for the highly unpalatable “Big Bang” expanding universe concept but at the same time provides a logical mathematical explanation for the distance- proportional red-shift of spectral lines that Hubble discovered. Redshift indicates an increase in potential in the coherent state.

The axiomatic base shows clearly that such varied factors as the Planck mass / neutron or proton / electron mass ratio, the electromagnetic fields, the structure coupling constants, the quantized charge, the spectral behavior of strong, weak, EM forces and in general all observable parameters are only due to one process – the vectorial aggregation of vibrations based on purely axiomatic principles that follow self similar and scale invariant laws.

The five levels of cyclic vortex (photonics) activities. The five types of sensory input signals are activated by discrete quantum of forces and it results in five categories of output as oscillatory, interactive, transmigrating, radiating and creative activities.

Definition of a cyclic vortex and a spherical harmonic oscillator.
When the oscillatory cycle count in all directions act simultaneously or synchronously and is raised to the 4th. Power, a cyclic self-supporting (photon) is formed. When it acts non-synchronously or sequentially it becomes detectable and measurable with a degree of certainty. In the initial state prior to the above when the oscillatory count reaches the power of three and is synchronized and acts simultaneously in all directions , it is in a self supporting harmonic oscillatory state but is not detectable or observable.

The un manifest state of zero is an indicator of a self similar oscillatory activity in perfect balance when there are no inputs but an unbalanced state triggers this state into a reactive response. The zero state is kept in balance by Ne transmigration in a tunneling mode and only when 7 Ne(neutrino) are triggered simultaneously a detectable photon is radiated. cheers

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flybyray's avatar

Thank you for sharing this fascinating perspective! I see strong resonance with some thoughts I’ve been exploring myself — especially regarding photons as emergent, resonance-based phenomena and the idea of space as an active, stabilizing medium. Your mention of stress-gaps and coherence breakdowns really struck a chord with me. I’d love to know: which curious minds or thinkers do you usually follow or get inspired by?

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Nilesh's avatar

Here is the Axiomatic logic inherent in Dynamic Space which helps observe phenomena from different perspectives cheers

The axiomatic logic and unification:

 Each of which must contained a proposition and its solution that explained the entire manifestation process of the Universe. While it is impossible to do justice to this extraordinary understanding in this short expose, this brief highlight of its axiomatic principles will be shown as a lesson in logic. 

1. The first logic, which had the starting proposition as a query, also contained a conditional solution. The test for its acceptability depended on the correctness of subsequent solutions. It was an intelligent way to connect all the propositions rigorously to the first solution. The method of elliptical negation provided logical internal proof. Even today, Physics would not impose such a constraint for it cannot unify even one set of forces. 

2. It was based on numerical axioms, which cannot be disproved and was valid for all times. No theory in science is based on numerical axioms as of today.

3. The entire mathematical process involved only counting.Note: Sir Roger Penrose, author of twister theory, foresaw that a correct theory could only be based on some principle of combinatorial counting. 

4. Axiomatic theory is based on starting from a clean slate suggest recently on episode by Leonard Susskind. Physics was started right in the middle from experimental inputs that became empirical and so has tremendous complications for it to find its clean slate. 

5. All manifestation processes were defined by one type of event and that was an interaction in three modes. Science today has a variety of definitions, like mass, momentum, acceleration, energy etc, except quantum theory which counts the rate of phenomenon, based on the Planck's constant. It is the closest to axiomatic principles. 

6. The first interaction can axiomatically be only between the first two objects. So all the laws of interaction must be completely derived within the very first interaction. Physics having started in the middle has a very long way to go before it can define the first interaction. 

7. All counts of interactions were always a ratio between one set and another similar unit, so that dimensionality of the interacting objects cancelled out and only a pure relational and dimensionless number formed the solution. The unit 1 in axiomatic logic is a ratio of infinity upon infinity. This is an important feature in science for keeping account of dimensionality, which complicates Physics to ridiculous levels. 

8. Since only interactions were to be counted, all manifestation consisted only of oscillations or vibrations. In terms of a scientific concept, it meant that logic has  treated the Universe as a vibrating hologram (spirituality or ethereal vibrations in lay equivalence). It was either changing its state by transmigration of stresses or oscillated in the same location as a frozen hologram. It is an advanced concept that removes all the anomalies in Physics . 

9. Interactions took place in 3  modes namely simultaneous, resonant and radiant states. The equivalent in Physics is the inelastic , elastic  and weak interactive force . The three  modes dealt only with time cycle variations as a counting procedure. Logically in a dynamic theory cyclic time was the true variable, for Dynamic space being real and substantial, could not vary. 

10. Space as the foundation of the Cosmos or Universe was described only by the relative interactive qualities needed to sustain manifestation and ensured that only the process of counting interactions was used to account for its balanced state. From the scientific point of view it was not necessary to consider the quality of space or its contents and showed that it is a relativistic theory. 

11. Manifestation is self-similar and scale-invariant. This allows the same formulation to be applied mathematically to define the Universe, Galaxy, Sun, Nucleon, Electron or any particulate state through one constant parameter. Physics, not being scale invariant, needs at least three parameters and they are not constants. 

12. The fundamental field of space  is mathematically defined  as  (coherent or frozen as a single entity),  (without end- perpetual),  (dynamic) and  (un manifest or balanced). Physics cannot define space as it is classified as a vacuum. 

13. The holographic mode of manifestation is proved mathematically by showing that all phenomenon is bound simultaneously by a spectrum of seven states and released sequentially be one mode. The enigma in science, why sound, light, particulate, molecular, atomic, nuclear and sub-particle level have a periodicity spectrum, is resolved axiomatically. 

The above parameters are some of the 'easy to understand' aspects that differed from Physics. The mathematical aspects of this theory are all encompassing, profound and complete in all respects. The unified solutions are derived internally and matched accurately to provide numerical answers to every known and unknown stable parameter in Physics and Cosmology. It has its own system of internal proof by matching six alternate derivations to 25 decimal places. Axiomatic logic enables the tabulation of the entire Cosmic manifestation parameters similar to any mathematical log table or almanac, with the certainty there will be no phenomena found falling outside it. This aspect is not possible in science today. How do we know axiomatic understanding of universe is right? Differentiating the axiomatically-derived-mass of the Universe by its smallest displacement leaves a precise single unit-angular displacement value of the very first interaction. Such accuracy is possible only in the realm of the divine! Logical outcome also gives equally accurate numerical solutions to both scientific and holistic problems in phenomenon. The latter process by itself is an extraordinary confirmation of it logical supremacy, for science has deliberately closed its eyes to it and actually believes holistic perception does not exist! Cheers in memory of my good friend.

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Craig James Bigger's avatar

So I think our eye colors are specifically a propagation of what certain minds are uniquely spacialy qualified to see in maybe particularly better stealing of how the string theorists maybe could get a better reorientation in just where there there is so useful in application. This is sting obvious.. but not gravitational in a encompassing fashion unless your talking photon beams and pulsation ray to dark photoelectric channeling in a cycling excitation dualistic stem to lorenz hemisphere inner curvature vortexing through superlatices of synaptic neuron quantum tunneling like supersymettric continuity of the effects shown by quasar parody in a partial emergent half of the active gactic nucleai taking a slipstreaming side of all kinds of paradoxical evolution states around what appears to be a much larger scale symmetry representation of the resonation transfer with allowed the Quantum tunneling cascade push of dna transistor transversal to as much parady cross dimension excitation whip and lornz gain to propagate 3 body scalor variation of first paradoxical excitation and then a representation of a continuing inner curvature repeat and retroactive gain to reionize and keep repetition dark expanse propagation and returned photon wave to particle point quasar capable hopf fibrational half curvature boundary scalor propagation (tao?) Dark photons slipstreaming curvature of a dark matter representation of the largest supper structural macro quasistellar lorenz repeating paradoxical plane cross of spacetime neutrino phases to allow a fluidity space to keep gaining in a galactic illumination effect which is scene by our own paradoxical frequenting in wave directional frequenting around the galaxies of the Sagittarius A Lorenz type hopf fibrational concentric half integral role in dark superfluidity paradoxical representation of a combination integer i in a vortexing pull of a wave functional concentric role in a flat wave functional day vs night plane of liquid dynamical cross paradoxical frequenting resonation wave echoing from the ecretion disk orthogonal spin of a spin chiral whip in paradoxical emergent roll of dark matter vs spacetime continuing vacuum excitation of a space that holds are sun and other spherical electromagnetic night and day fibrational reordering of a wave excitations dualistic propagation to sublimation weave of a qcd displacement representation of the cross frequenting role in a helixing polar role of sun bifurcational evolutionary rise in a photoelectric vortexing fibrational plume of plasmatic helium antimatter in a chromodynamic phase flip to dark photonic oscillation display in curvature boundary expanse likely a phase continuity evolution between the sun and quasistellar propagation dual display of nuclear thermo-chromoelectromagnetic dipole exchange... we just aren't understanding how to apply the wave functioning concentric echoing of 4d spacetime around a quasistellar wave boundary cone in bipolar spin with night vs day emergent wave space vortexing resonation curvature

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Robert.'s avatar

I only understood a tiny fraction of a part of that.

Do physicists know why/what makes one particle/field couple to another?

Why does an Electron couple to the Higgs, EM field, Weak Bosons/field, but say a Quark goes one extra and couples to the Strong force as well.

Can it be more than a brute fact?

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Dr. Lee Warren's avatar

Well, this was entertaining, and depressing (because even though I'm a brain surgeon, it's mostly over my head), and fascinating, and made me think of all the physics that were invented when God said, "Let there be light," and it's taken us all this work to figure out exactly what that even means! Wow. Nice work @curtjaimungal !

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resonebula's avatar

Very nice! Kinda reminds me of that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where all the guys are discussing the best technique for opening a pickle jar. Season 9 episode 2, The Pickle Gambit! To quote Feynman, "All life is fermentation!"

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Peter Becher's avatar

They are Lost in; philosophy, math, language, physics, baseness, maybe others.

I liked "a photon is a self-entangled vortex of an electron-positron pair" the best, but only applies at 1.022MeV.

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Andrea Walters's avatar

I like the artwork. Source? AI?

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Henri CORNIERE's avatar

The concept of photon needs to be thoroughly cleaned up starting with its massless status. It is widely said that it has no mass as a consequence of relativity theory as if a theory was able to make a law for the universe! Quite the opposite, the laws of the universe make or un-make theories, isn't it? Moreover, Lorentz's equations end up with the delicate case of the division by zero which makes an infinite mass for it unless it is massless. Not at all, dividing by zero is like dividing by nothing. If you divide by nothing it is just a case of a non-division, one cannot get infinite. You cannot disagree.

This is just a part of the cleanup.

We have now to consider that photon particles are pervading all space and as such, they form a gas, a photon gas (by the very definition of a gas), so the old successful Kinetic Theory of Gases of the 19 Century can be applied to the photon. This is an easy step that leads directly to the calculation of the mass of that particle and its associated frequency that matches with the CMB which has been measured by dedicated satellites. This is a quite important outcome which leads to remarkable discoveries and unveils profound long-lasting mysteries or enigmas.

You want to know more about? The rest of that story is in a published paper titled:

"Massive Photon Hypothesis Opens Doors to New Fields of Research"

You will realize then that those wrong concepts right at the start of various theories prevent physics to make great progress where physicists are walking down wrong paths leading to dead ends and that for many past decades.

I will add finally that there exist presently several more assumptions where the foundations need to be re-examined, because they all contribute to this shameful and perduring situation. Henri CORNIERE

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Craig James Bigger's avatar

Dark photons

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