Guy: "What is light?"
Chap: "Well, it's what makes something visible…"
Bloke: "Well, technically, you can have light outside the visible spectrum, like ultraviolet and infrared…"
Fellow: "Well, technically, a photon is the gauge boson associated with the U(1) symmetry of the Dirac equation…"
I am wondering if all those concepts of "photon" are valid? Curt, did you think any of them were not technically correct? ;-)
Even,
Guy: “Well, technically, light is the absence of darkness, and darkness is defined as wickedness…”
Chap: “Well, technically, wickedness is a holomorphic object on twistor space…”
had me laughing, but sure, why not extend the notion of "light" to metaphor.
Seriously, what I was interested in is the shear volume of how many alternatives were offered. Given there is an underlying reality to a physical photon, then what we have here are many languages or dialects that mathematics provides for describing the same thing. Hardly profound (it is "just Langlands" or "just Erlangen"). And yet I always think it is profound.
humorous and interesting post Curt!As a non scientist one would like to share following in memory my friend perhaps help explore further on subject.
Photon
self-similar and scale invariant principal a signature of Hologram! Space is dynamic and it has reactive property.
Axiomatic logic. It exposes the ‘how & why’ of the nascent messenger of our information system, the so-called photon, that has an identifiable connection to anything and everything.
The components can never be detected directly for they do not ‘radiate’ but the ‘stress-gaps’ between components do, as photons. Every ‘coherent point’ in space has a veritable powerhouse ,exposed the dual nature inherent in detecting phenomenon either as a coherent wave packet identified as a “particle” or an unsynchronized wave ensemble as a “ray or photon” depending on the interactive state of the observer.
Its axiomatic mathematics shows that when the coherent state of components in space is broken by non-synchronous or time varying activity, the regaining of coherence is attained by resonant absorption of non- synchronous activity. Such activity is radiated as incremental counts of energy which, sequentially decays back into space, over a period. It leads to an important conclusion that the photon must decay in 10^17 cycles or seconds in physics.
it has been occurring in nature from time immemorial, say in the form of sound wave and electrical-magnetic wave transmissions with a velocity difference of approximately million times, analogous to the difference in photon and stress-phase-change transmigration. Hence a disturbance that transmits both a sound and electromagnetic wave independently through a medium, cannot be easily identified as being related, by a later measurement, because of the large velocity difference
it proves that all radiated phenomenon, like photons of light, must decay, which consequently removes the foundation for the highly unpalatable “Big Bang” expanding universe concept but at the same time provides a logical mathematical explanation for the distance- proportional red-shift of spectral lines that Hubble discovered. Redshift indicates an increase in potential in the coherent state.
The axiomatic base shows clearly that such varied factors as the Planck mass / neutron or proton / electron mass ratio, the electromagnetic fields, the structure coupling constants, the quantized charge, the spectral behavior of strong, weak, EM forces and in general all observable parameters are only due to one process – the vectorial aggregation of vibrations based on purely axiomatic principles that follow self similar and scale invariant laws.
The five levels of cyclic vortex (photonics) activities. The five types of sensory input signals are activated by discrete quantum of forces and it results in five categories of output as oscillatory, interactive, transmigrating, radiating and creative activities.
Definition of a cyclic vortex and a spherical harmonic oscillator. When the oscillatory cycle count in all directions act simultaneously or synchronously and is raised to the 4th. Power, a cyclic self-supporting (photon) is formed. When it acts non-synchronously or sequentially it becomes detectable and measurable with a degree of certainty. In the initial state prior to the above when the oscillatory count reaches the power of three and is synchronized and acts simultaneously in all directions , it is in a self supporting harmonic oscillatory state but is not detectable or observable.
The un manifest state of zero is an indicator of a self similar oscillatory activity in perfect balance when there are no inputs but an unbalanced state triggers this state into a reactive response. The zero state is kept in balance by Ne transmigration in a tunneling mode and only when 7 Ne(neutrino) are triggered simultaneously a detectable photon is radiated. cheers
The concept of photon needs to be thoroughly cleaned up starting with its massless status. It is widely said that it has no mass as a consequence of relativity theory as if a theory was able to make a law for the universe! Quite the opposite, the laws of the universe make or un-make theories, isn't it? Moreover, Lorentz's equations end up with the delicate case of the division by zero which makes an infinite mass for it unless it is massless. Not at all, dividing by zero is like dividing by nothing. If you divide by nothing it is just a case of a non-division, one cannot get infinite. You cannot disagree.
This is just a part of the cleanup.
We have now to consider that photon particles are pervading all space and as such, they form a gas, a photon gas (by the very definition of a gas), so the old successful Kinetic Theory of Gases of the 19 Century can be applied to the photon. This is an easy step that leads directly to the calculation of the mass of that particle and its associated frequency that matches with the CMB which has been measured by dedicated satellites. This is a quite important outcome which leads to remarkable discoveries and unveils profound long-lasting mysteries or enigmas.
You want to know more about? The rest of that story is in a published paper titled:
"Massive Photon Hypothesis Opens Doors to New Fields of Research"
You will realize then that those wrong concepts right at the start of various theories prevent physics to make great progress where physicists are walking down wrong paths leading to dead ends and that for many past decades.
I will add finally that there exist presently several more assumptions where the foundations need to be re-examined, because they all contribute to this shameful and perduring situation. Henri CORNIERE
So I think our eye colors are specifically a propagation of what certain minds are uniquely spacialy qualified to see in maybe particularly better stealing of how the string theorists maybe could get a better reorientation in just where there there is so useful in application. This is sting obvious.. but not gravitational in a encompassing fashion unless your talking photon beams and pulsation ray to dark photoelectric channeling in a cycling excitation dualistic stem to lorenz hemisphere inner curvature vortexing through superlatices of synaptic neuron quantum tunneling like supersymettric continuity of the effects shown by quasar parody in a partial emergent half of the active gactic nucleai taking a slipstreaming side of all kinds of paradoxical evolution states around what appears to be a much larger scale symmetry representation of the resonation transfer with allowed the Quantum tunneling cascade push of dna transistor transversal to as much parady cross dimension excitation whip and lornz gain to propagate 3 body scalor variation of first paradoxical excitation and then a representation of a continuing inner curvature repeat and retroactive gain to reionize and keep repetition dark expanse propagation and returned photon wave to particle point quasar capable hopf fibrational half curvature boundary scalor propagation (tao?) Dark photons slipstreaming curvature of a dark matter representation of the largest supper structural macro quasistellar lorenz repeating paradoxical plane cross of spacetime neutrino phases to allow a fluidity space to keep gaining in a galactic illumination effect which is scene by our own paradoxical frequenting in wave directional frequenting around the galaxies of the Sagittarius A Lorenz type hopf fibrational concentric half integral role in dark superfluidity paradoxical representation of a combination integer i in a vortexing pull of a wave functional concentric role in a flat wave functional day vs night plane of liquid dynamical cross paradoxical frequenting resonation wave echoing from the ecretion disk orthogonal spin of a spin chiral whip in paradoxical emergent roll of dark matter vs spacetime continuing vacuum excitation of a space that holds are sun and other spherical electromagnetic night and day fibrational reordering of a wave excitations dualistic propagation to sublimation weave of a qcd displacement representation of the cross frequenting role in a helixing polar role of sun bifurcational evolutionary rise in a photoelectric vortexing fibrational plume of plasmatic helium antimatter in a chromodynamic phase flip to dark photonic oscillation display in curvature boundary expanse likely a phase continuity evolution between the sun and quasistellar propagation dual display of nuclear thermo-chromoelectromagnetic dipole exchange... we just aren't understanding how to apply the wave functioning concentric echoing of 4d spacetime around a quasistellar wave boundary cone in bipolar spin with night vs day emergent wave space vortexing resonation curvature
This is why Umberto Eco's negative realism is compelling.
Reality is a partially amorphous substance: it offers itself to experience on multiple levels, and as Aristotle said, things can be spoken of in many ways, perhaps infinite ways, all correct, all perspectival.
However, it is not a completely amorphous substance either, to be manipulated and segmented at our pleasure and discretion.
No. Reality has "lines of resistance". Hard cores that do not lend themselves to descriptions and explanations. There are hypotheses and descriptions to which reality responds with a resolute: No.
The photon can be conceived of and described, and perhaps ontologically is, in many ways. And perhaps we will never arrive at a precise, universal, and definitive definition and conception of the photon.
But this does not mean that there cannot be certainty, and agreement, and ever greater precision, about what it definitely is not.
This was enjoyable!
I am wondering if all those concepts of "photon" are valid? Curt, did you think any of them were not technically correct? ;-)
Even,
Guy: “Well, technically, light is the absence of darkness, and darkness is defined as wickedness…”
Chap: “Well, technically, wickedness is a holomorphic object on twistor space…”
had me laughing, but sure, why not extend the notion of "light" to metaphor.
Seriously, what I was interested in is the shear volume of how many alternatives were offered. Given there is an underlying reality to a physical photon, then what we have here are many languages or dialects that mathematics provides for describing the same thing. Hardly profound (it is "just Langlands" or "just Erlangen"). And yet I always think it is profound.
Too right you are.
Loved this! Laughed out loud at the ending!
humorous and interesting post Curt!As a non scientist one would like to share following in memory my friend perhaps help explore further on subject.
Photon
self-similar and scale invariant principal a signature of Hologram! Space is dynamic and it has reactive property.
Axiomatic logic. It exposes the ‘how & why’ of the nascent messenger of our information system, the so-called photon, that has an identifiable connection to anything and everything.
The components can never be detected directly for they do not ‘radiate’ but the ‘stress-gaps’ between components do, as photons. Every ‘coherent point’ in space has a veritable powerhouse ,exposed the dual nature inherent in detecting phenomenon either as a coherent wave packet identified as a “particle” or an unsynchronized wave ensemble as a “ray or photon” depending on the interactive state of the observer.
Its axiomatic mathematics shows that when the coherent state of components in space is broken by non-synchronous or time varying activity, the regaining of coherence is attained by resonant absorption of non- synchronous activity. Such activity is radiated as incremental counts of energy which, sequentially decays back into space, over a period. It leads to an important conclusion that the photon must decay in 10^17 cycles or seconds in physics.
it has been occurring in nature from time immemorial, say in the form of sound wave and electrical-magnetic wave transmissions with a velocity difference of approximately million times, analogous to the difference in photon and stress-phase-change transmigration. Hence a disturbance that transmits both a sound and electromagnetic wave independently through a medium, cannot be easily identified as being related, by a later measurement, because of the large velocity difference
it proves that all radiated phenomenon, like photons of light, must decay, which consequently removes the foundation for the highly unpalatable “Big Bang” expanding universe concept but at the same time provides a logical mathematical explanation for the distance- proportional red-shift of spectral lines that Hubble discovered. Redshift indicates an increase in potential in the coherent state.
The axiomatic base shows clearly that such varied factors as the Planck mass / neutron or proton / electron mass ratio, the electromagnetic fields, the structure coupling constants, the quantized charge, the spectral behavior of strong, weak, EM forces and in general all observable parameters are only due to one process – the vectorial aggregation of vibrations based on purely axiomatic principles that follow self similar and scale invariant laws.
The five levels of cyclic vortex (photonics) activities. The five types of sensory input signals are activated by discrete quantum of forces and it results in five categories of output as oscillatory, interactive, transmigrating, radiating and creative activities.
Definition of a cyclic vortex and a spherical harmonic oscillator. When the oscillatory cycle count in all directions act simultaneously or synchronously and is raised to the 4th. Power, a cyclic self-supporting (photon) is formed. When it acts non-synchronously or sequentially it becomes detectable and measurable with a degree of certainty. In the initial state prior to the above when the oscillatory count reaches the power of three and is synchronized and acts simultaneously in all directions , it is in a self supporting harmonic oscillatory state but is not detectable or observable.
The un manifest state of zero is an indicator of a self similar oscillatory activity in perfect balance when there are no inputs but an unbalanced state triggers this state into a reactive response. The zero state is kept in balance by Ne transmigration in a tunneling mode and only when 7 Ne(neutrino) are triggered simultaneously a detectable photon is radiated. cheers
I like the artwork. Source? AI?
The concept of photon needs to be thoroughly cleaned up starting with its massless status. It is widely said that it has no mass as a consequence of relativity theory as if a theory was able to make a law for the universe! Quite the opposite, the laws of the universe make or un-make theories, isn't it? Moreover, Lorentz's equations end up with the delicate case of the division by zero which makes an infinite mass for it unless it is massless. Not at all, dividing by zero is like dividing by nothing. If you divide by nothing it is just a case of a non-division, one cannot get infinite. You cannot disagree.
This is just a part of the cleanup.
We have now to consider that photon particles are pervading all space and as such, they form a gas, a photon gas (by the very definition of a gas), so the old successful Kinetic Theory of Gases of the 19 Century can be applied to the photon. This is an easy step that leads directly to the calculation of the mass of that particle and its associated frequency that matches with the CMB which has been measured by dedicated satellites. This is a quite important outcome which leads to remarkable discoveries and unveils profound long-lasting mysteries or enigmas.
You want to know more about? The rest of that story is in a published paper titled:
"Massive Photon Hypothesis Opens Doors to New Fields of Research"
You will realize then that those wrong concepts right at the start of various theories prevent physics to make great progress where physicists are walking down wrong paths leading to dead ends and that for many past decades.
I will add finally that there exist presently several more assumptions where the foundations need to be re-examined, because they all contribute to this shameful and perduring situation. Henri CORNIERE
So I think our eye colors are specifically a propagation of what certain minds are uniquely spacialy qualified to see in maybe particularly better stealing of how the string theorists maybe could get a better reorientation in just where there there is so useful in application. This is sting obvious.. but not gravitational in a encompassing fashion unless your talking photon beams and pulsation ray to dark photoelectric channeling in a cycling excitation dualistic stem to lorenz hemisphere inner curvature vortexing through superlatices of synaptic neuron quantum tunneling like supersymettric continuity of the effects shown by quasar parody in a partial emergent half of the active gactic nucleai taking a slipstreaming side of all kinds of paradoxical evolution states around what appears to be a much larger scale symmetry representation of the resonation transfer with allowed the Quantum tunneling cascade push of dna transistor transversal to as much parady cross dimension excitation whip and lornz gain to propagate 3 body scalor variation of first paradoxical excitation and then a representation of a continuing inner curvature repeat and retroactive gain to reionize and keep repetition dark expanse propagation and returned photon wave to particle point quasar capable hopf fibrational half curvature boundary scalor propagation (tao?) Dark photons slipstreaming curvature of a dark matter representation of the largest supper structural macro quasistellar lorenz repeating paradoxical plane cross of spacetime neutrino phases to allow a fluidity space to keep gaining in a galactic illumination effect which is scene by our own paradoxical frequenting in wave directional frequenting around the galaxies of the Sagittarius A Lorenz type hopf fibrational concentric half integral role in dark superfluidity paradoxical representation of a combination integer i in a vortexing pull of a wave functional concentric role in a flat wave functional day vs night plane of liquid dynamical cross paradoxical frequenting resonation wave echoing from the ecretion disk orthogonal spin of a spin chiral whip in paradoxical emergent roll of dark matter vs spacetime continuing vacuum excitation of a space that holds are sun and other spherical electromagnetic night and day fibrational reordering of a wave excitations dualistic propagation to sublimation weave of a qcd displacement representation of the cross frequenting role in a helixing polar role of sun bifurcational evolutionary rise in a photoelectric vortexing fibrational plume of plasmatic helium antimatter in a chromodynamic phase flip to dark photonic oscillation display in curvature boundary expanse likely a phase continuity evolution between the sun and quasistellar propagation dual display of nuclear thermo-chromoelectromagnetic dipole exchange... we just aren't understanding how to apply the wave functioning concentric echoing of 4d spacetime around a quasistellar wave boundary cone in bipolar spin with night vs day emergent wave space vortexing resonation curvature
Dark photons
I only understood a tiny fraction of a part of that.
Do physicists know why/what makes one particle/field couple to another?
Why does an Electron couple to the Higgs, EM field, Weak Bosons/field, but say a Quark goes one extra and couples to the Strong force as well.
Can it be more than a brute fact?
A photon is a coordinated (entangled) superposition in orthospace,
defined geometrically on E=mcc --> 1/c (e) = c/1 (m).
This is the Planck relation, defining a spheric force balance,
first discovered by R J Bošković, then proved by me.
This is why Umberto Eco's negative realism is compelling.
Reality is a partially amorphous substance: it offers itself to experience on multiple levels, and as Aristotle said, things can be spoken of in many ways, perhaps infinite ways, all correct, all perspectival.
However, it is not a completely amorphous substance either, to be manipulated and segmented at our pleasure and discretion.
No. Reality has "lines of resistance". Hard cores that do not lend themselves to descriptions and explanations. There are hypotheses and descriptions to which reality responds with a resolute: No.
The photon can be conceived of and described, and perhaps ontologically is, in many ways. And perhaps we will never arrive at a precise, universal, and definitive definition and conception of the photon.
But this does not mean that there cannot be certainty, and agreement, and ever greater precision, about what it definitely is not.